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Old 10-17-2013, 03:17 AM
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I've got a bottle with John Walker & sons embossed on bottle it has a diamond type label in the middle. It has 20 embossed on the very bottom, and it has a beer bottle type cap and a small twisted chain attached. It's unopened and the research I've done dates this bottle to early-mid 1800's. I don't know value if someone could help me it'd be greatly appreciated!
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I can help. May I see a few pictures? Any more specifics on the label would be outstanding as well. Where did you pick this up? I have a few ideas as to what you may be holding and what it is worth.

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Old 10-17-2013, 05:27 PM
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Thanks I'm not sure how to attach pics so I
sent it to ur email. Thanks for your time!!
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Check out this link on how to post photos - if you still need assistance, let us know. Welcome to the Whisky.com Forum!

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Thanks for your time!!!
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Here's another
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Sorry it won't let me download them all at once
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My friend and I have a beat on it for you. Gimme another day or so. We have a few ideas we are just running it by some other people in the industry to get their feelings.

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Thank you!! I know it's rare just how rare. Thanks again!!
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This is quite a rare bottle of red label. However, due to all the labels on front being missing, the value is GREATLY reduced for collectors. The raised letters on the bottle say, "Federal Law Prohibits the Resale or Reuse of this Bottle." This will date your bottle between 1932 and 1964, when federal law required all bottle manufacturers to have this wording in their molds. I think it is probably from the middle of this range - say mid 1940s.
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Looking at the bottle the diamond shaped label is barely
Torn at top but I think this is the only label. The research I
did the 24 degree label came out I believe ( could be wrong)
around turn of the century. So I believe it's earlier than the 40's
Atleast I hope lol!! I've seen a lot if collections ecspecially on
YouTube and have never seen this particular bottle. Either way
thsnks for your advice, it's appreciated
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Here's 1 more the other pics aren't great
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This is my bottle. Looks very similar, mine dated from the mid 40's.

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maxnzoey,

The "Federal law forbids..." embodiment in the glass was a US Legal requirement that began in 1934 as a deterrent to illegal bottlers of untaxed (bootleg) whisky that were reusing/refilling used bottles and marketing them as "manufacturer original" filled bottles (ie counterfeits).

Your bottle dates to between 1941-1945....Those were the only years that JW produced a "spring-cap" without a lead-foil capsule seal; this happened to many bottlers during WWII after Germany invaded France (major supplier of lead for the foil).

Lead-foil capsules returned late in 1945, after the end of WWII in the European theatre.

Additionally, your diamond shaped label is the back label, an bears a "under government supervision" decree which was first mandated in the UK in early 1942.

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I found this empty bottle which has John walker & sons Kilmarnock 1289 embossed into the glass. It is a round bottle with no lid and no label.
Any help with regards to this bottle will be very much appreciated.
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